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 Nutkins
12.10.2007 - 08:12
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Gonna treat myself to a mini upgrade using the christmas present excuse. Prolly gonna spend around £150.

My current Spec is

Msi k8n 939 mobo (Not Sli)
athlon 64 3700 running at 2.21 ghz
msi 790gto (equivelent to 7900gtx)
4 512meg ddr strips of cheap geil dual channel matched Ram
72 gig raptor + 2 sata +1ide drives

Now, i just wanna get as much bang for buck that i can. My options are....

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 Dual Core Socket 939 OEM Processor (2.2ghz) =£55 (fastest cpu available for 939 chipsets)
2*1gb ddr ocz DDR-400 PC-3200 CL 3-4-4-8 =£66


Will this combo get me much improvement over my current setup? Is the dual core gonna give me much more fps than single core running at the same ghz? Will having 2 strips of 1gb dual channel memory be much faster than my old 4 strips of matched 512memory?

I was also thinking of buying an identical graphics card as mine and getting a cheap sli mobo and running then sli. Would cost around £150 for that. 110 for secondhand card off ebay and £40 for sli mobo.

Another option to to get a new amd am2 mobo and a AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (3GHz) Socket AM2 L2 2MB (2 x 1MB) Cache Both for = £150 Still sticking with my old ram.

Was also considering doing a clean install of windows. I hate doing this as it takes days to get everything setup again. Freakin nightmare but a possibilty. I am on xp pro and there is alot of stuff on the drive. Considering Vista but prolly not worth it as my graphics card is not dx10 compatable and the copy protection is supposed to be pretty good?

Any advice or ideas would be appreciated. Dont wanna waste my money on a pointless upgrade.

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 Kingmob
12.10.2007 - 10:07
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2 sticks of ram will be able to run with 1T timings, that is the only advantage. And this advantage is restricted to the socket939 chipset, am2 etc don't have this problem. Going to 4200 Dual core seems like too small a step here, but if you upgrade further, you can no longer 'mini-upgrade'. I know this, because i have the exact same problem .
To have a decent upgrade beyond socket939, i would go with intel core duo's. But then you need new cpu, mobo and memory. And a graphics card to keep up.

If you do this, I would start by just going dual-core and see what it does for you. At least it will improve your desktop performance when using multiple programs and most games are now optimized for it. Sli to me sounds like a waste of money, but I'm not sure about that. I think it is better to just buy a medium next-gen card and sell the old one. If you can manage to sell your 4 sticks of ram for at least 33, i would also buy the 2 sticks of 1 gig. 1T timings matter, but not enough to warrant more money imo.


[ Edited on the 12.10.2007 - 10:08 ]
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 DAVEK
12.10.2007 - 10:29
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I've got an idea, give it to me!

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 JellyFish
12.10.2007 - 16:56
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hmm - just upgraded my rig to an intel core duo (2.2Ghz) + the 7950GT I had before, had to get anew Motherboard, and went for an Asrock jobby with both AGP and PCI-E support (as my cga card was agp). next step is a RAM upgrade.

what sort of benchmarks do u get on 3dmark 06 / 07 Nutkins ?

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 Nutkins
12.10.2007 - 19:04
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So intel cards are outperforming amd ones? Ive never had an intel chip before is the Ram different in Intel boards?

If i need more RAM with an intel, maybe it would be better to get an amd duel core AM2 chipset and my memory would do until next upgrade.


[ Edited on the 12.10.2007 - 19:14 ]
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 HoriZon
12.10.2007 - 20:42
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I have always gone Intel over the years was never keen on amd, dunno why

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 Dar
13.10.2007 - 19:09
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getting rid of the cheapo 512's n replacing with a matched pair of branded 1g's will improve everything,the duo upgrade in cpu will also improve perfomance.
I'm also in a dilema about upgrades,similar-ish to u but with the matching crucial 1gs in tow and an older but better gfx (gainward 6800ultra golden)
was thinking of a cheap upgrade to duo64 cpu but it runs all ok now running a 64bit 3800+ atm btw

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 HoriZon
13.10.2007 - 20:36
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MATT DAMON!!!

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 Nutkins
14.10.2007 - 15:46
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Cant believe how cheap Ram is.....

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/91124/show_product_reviews

I know its only cheap stuff but at this price i ight get 4 gigs worth.

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 Kingmob
14.10.2007 - 16:56
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Yeah, DDR2 is much cheaper, another reason to upgrade your mobo

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 Nutkins
14.10.2007 - 17:34
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Shit!! i ordered the memory and didnt realise i need another mobo.

Oh well, Just ordered an

Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.20GHz Socket 775 800FSB 2MB

and a msi mobo to go with it


[ Edited on the 14.10.2007 - 19:28 ]
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 Nutkins
14.10.2007 - 20:41
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JellyFish wrote:
what sort of benchmarks do u get on 3dmark 06 / 07 Nutkins ?


I currently get 4162 in 3d mark 06


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 Nutkins
25.10.2007 - 05:05
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Incredible really. My 3d Mark score is now 5822 with the new setup. Nearly 50 increase. Granted ive clocked the processor from 2.2 to 2.75 ghtz but still a significant gain without a new Graphics card. This processors rok my box.

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 JellyFish
25.10.2007 - 09:24
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cool

mine went up from 1003 to 5200ish (new vga card, cpu and mobo), the new ram i am getting next month should add another few hundred on as I know that's the current bottleneck in my system.

Might have to have a go a clocking my cpu (same core 2duo 2.2ghz) as yaself IIRC.


[ Edited on the 25.10.2007 - 09:27 ]
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 Nutkins
25.10.2007 - 13:08
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I clocked it with the stock cooler with cheap £23 pound ram. No problems whatsoever. I reckon this might go higher still but quite happy with it for now.

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 JellyFish
25.10.2007 - 13:09
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nice only thing I am worried about is the pwer supply - only have 400 or 430 watt one at the moment, and pretty sure it's on the edge at the mo

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 Sar
25.10.2007 - 16:12
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Worth noting that XP won't recognise 4Gbs of ram - it'll see only 3.4Gbs worth or thereabouts.

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 JellyFish
25.10.2007 - 16:46
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errrm - have had a win2k IIRC machine here (at work) running with 8gb dude ! (board with dual xeon's )

and mate has a very nice work laptop running xp with 4 gb of ram in it ..

edit:
after a quick trawl of some sites it seems to depend on the mb/chip you're using and what version of windows.

Windows 64bit will allow larger blocks of RAM to be used, and there may well be a hack for xp pro/home 32bit versions to allow you to go past the 3.4GB cap.

however with 512MB of RAM being reserved anyways, and 3.4 being used by XP, you'll only miss out on about 200MB of ram until you upgrade to Vista.






[ Edited on the 25.10.2007 - 16:57 ]
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 Sar
25.10.2007 - 18:47
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I know 64bit Windows will see more than 4Gb, but how many of us use 64bit WinXP?

I don't think there's a hack for XP to make it see the full 4Gb, and 32bit Vista doesn't see it either IIRC.

Actually I think I'm right: http://blogs.msdn.com/hiltonl/archive/2007/04/13/the-3gb-not-4gb-ram-problem.aspx

Also, 32bit Win2K and Win2K3 work differently, and can therefore see the full whack - maybe because they're actually intended to be used in servers and business.

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 Kaminatcha
25.10.2007 - 21:03
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I get 13992 marks with my current set up after an upgrade last June. I got a Intel Dua Core 6600 o/c to 3.2 GHz , an SLI Nvidia 8800 320MB x 2 and 2 GB of Overclockerd RAM from OCZ. I have an 400GB Raid 0+1 (4 x 200MB disks) array, Custom Watercooled case and a Sexeh wife

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